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Several protesters were wounded and at least two were killed by gunfire in Kiev on Wednesday, Jan 22. Images of brass slugs were released on Facebook claiming to be the projectiles that hit protesters. Prime Minister Azarov, as well as the Ministry of Interior firmly denied using live ammo on the crowd.

The form of the slug was so unusual, however that a small investigation was more than justified. Here are two pictures from Facebook of slugs claimed to be fired at the crowd and picked from the wounds:

Balle Blondeau in Kiev

On first glance this appears to be the Blondeau slug (aka balle Blondeau) invented in France in the 40-ies and widely used for boar hunting. It is an expensive type of ammo, cartridges sold from $6.00 apiece upwards. For this reason the turned brass slugs are totally unavaliable in Ukraine, local hunters preferring more budget lead types.

On second glance there is something wrong with the massive tail part of the slug, it looks too massive. And the flat head looks somewhat fragile, for a Blondeau. Here is the classic slug, see the difference for yourselves:

Vintage balle Blondeau

Which probably means that the ammo is unique and can be traced right to the manufacturer. Here I felt that meeting an expert on Blondeau and its variations was totally overdue. Luckily there are some cryptic guys in hidden corners of our cold snowy Russian internet that take some interest in applications of French weapon design. The following links and photos come from them.

Ukrainian SWAT door opener slug

The image above can be found on http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?p=83111#p83111 and depicts a round marketed for SWAT police force as an instant door opener. The slug can supposedly disable certain types of locks and immediately open a door if fired correctly.

Ukrainian SWAT multipurpose slug

The image above comes from http://guns.allzip.org/topic/151/1211900.html#p262 These are experimental 12-gauge SWAT slugs for instant door opening and car stopping.

Now here comes the interesting part. The ammo appears to be in fact quite unique and is manufactured by "Spetstekhnika" experimental works and labs in Kiev. And "Spetstechnika" is affiliated with Ukrainian police, it acts as the research division for the Ministry of Interior.

Ok, lets sum it up. Someone in the center of Kiev is firing proprietary turned brass slugs at the protesters, killing at least two and heavily wounding several others. The ammo appears to be breaching rounds manufactured in Kiev exclusively for the local police SWAT force. No such ammo is sold in gun shops in Ukraine.

And Prime Minister Azarov and Minister of the Interior Zakharchenko say the police is not involved in the shootings. Tell me moar guys.


Comments

( 18 comments )
ionotter
Jan. 24th, 2014 07:10 am (UTC)
Found this from Reddit. It's starting to take off, now. Please stay safe....or as safe as possible.

Edited at 2014-01-24 07:11 am (UTC)
(Anonymous)
Jan. 24th, 2014 11:19 am (UTC)
Wow good detective work. Thanks for posting.
(Anonymous)
Jan. 24th, 2014 05:08 pm (UTC)
The images are down.
(Anonymous)
Jan. 24th, 2014 08:21 pm (UTC)
Anonymous says well done
(Anonymous)
Jan. 24th, 2014 08:30 pm (UTC)
These would be pretty nasty also.
http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/12ga-ddupleks-2-34-1-18oz-expanding-shotgun-ammo
(Anonymous)
Jan. 25th, 2014 07:12 am (UTC)
these are cool
(Anonymous)
Jan. 24th, 2014 08:38 pm (UTC)
If you found out about these "secret" slugs why couldn't anybody else who desperately needs fingers pointed at the police killing "innosent and peaceful pregnant kids" who try their best at carrying out a real coup (anti-constitutional action that must be punished by law) burning alive and severely injuring too many guys who just do their job and really serve their country.
danvolodar
Jan. 24th, 2014 10:02 pm (UTC)
Okay, guys! Listen! Hey guys, listen! I have an idea!
Let's... are you listening?.. let's shoot some protesters!
And use the special-purpose bullets that can be instantly traced back to us!
Hell yes, guys! Ain't that super-smart?!
(Anonymous)
Jan. 25th, 2014 01:05 am (UTC)
Its not that using tracable ammo is dumb but more like they dont give a fuck ...prove it!! With judges to back them in court you stand to lose unfortunately
(Anonymous)
Jan. 25th, 2014 08:08 am (UTC)
Aint brass cancerous too?
(Anonymous)
Jan. 25th, 2014 02:27 pm (UTC)
This is ridiculous. Don't spread information that you have no way of confirming your self. Anyone can make claims. They turn out to be false a month later but damage has been done.

I am quite frankly surprised the police is not using live ammo at this point. If they were the deaths would be comparable to Egypt.

Remember those guys on police line are not some robots they are people too. IF you throw too many molotovs their way they might just snap and start shooting at you. I saw pictures of protesters with guns. Did you make a post about them? Didn't think so. I see protesters with shield and swords. IS that not also excessive use of force? What should the cops do with those? Kiss them?
(Anonymous)
Jan. 25th, 2014 03:43 pm (UTC)
this poster loves his police state.
(Anonymous)
Jan. 26th, 2014 05:47 pm (UTC)
Yes he does...
(Anonymous)
Jan. 26th, 2014 05:46 pm (UTC)
Yeah, youre an idiot. The Ukrainian goverment is currupt and working with Putin, do i need to say more ? PUTIN !
(Anonymous)
Mar. 2nd, 2014 10:13 pm (UTC)
their are so many crooked cops out there anymore that the good ones dont stand a chanch. they are considered guilty till proven innocent
(Anonymous)
Jan. 25th, 2014 05:03 pm (UTC)
maybe some spyes trying to make a national crisis, and i bet it has something to do with the UE battel with Russia over power on Ukraine economy. It is more and more clear that "democratic" countries with an expantionist agenda are resorting more and more to military force in order to provoke or induce chaos ... like, war thirsty America, England, Germany, France, Israel and, the almighty, bloody mother - Russia
(Anonymous)
Jan. 25th, 2014 11:13 pm (UTC)
Is that PDMK-slug? http://guns.connect.fi/gow/historia4.html

Here is something about "balle blondeau" (in English too): http://guns.connect.fi/gow/historia5.html
(Anonymous)
Jan. 27th, 2014 05:06 am (UTC)
Some errors in this piece. Please see here for more details: https://www.armamentresearch.com/armour-piercing-shotgun-projectiles-fired-during-protests-in-ukraine/
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